Posted by Savant on March 09, 1999 at 00:21:58: In Reply to: Re: NERI IN CYBERSPACE posted by No.2Pencil on March 08, 1999 at 19:06:02:
Oh I don't hate you at all, I feel sorry for you. Your life is so devoid of meaning that you have to grasp at a fictional character for fulfillment.
Let's look at a post you made on November 02, 1998:
: Hey now ! Wait a minute Mr.Postman! Maybe it is you who have got this thing up
: side down. Has it ever occured to you that Marzena is acting off stage and
: being herself as Neri. Duh she isn't from another world but her real
: personality maybe is Neri, and then she fakes being a regular girl so people
: won't think she's some kind of wierdo. Like Superman is acting when he's Clark
: Kent. There's a saying that goes the wise can play the fool but the fool just
: can't help himself.I'm sure that Neri is smart enough not to call to much
: attention to herself because the reality is most people don't want to hear the
: truth and they'll only hate the one who is speaking it in this case
: Neri(perhaps "Marzena").
It took a while, but you finally (I believe) came around to accepting that Marzena is not 'Neri' in disguise. Marzena is an individual, and a very intelligent one at that. She is NOT like 'Neri' in the way you hope, and that must crush you, since you still think that 'Neri' exists somehow.
: You must learn to love yourself my friend! I come to share ideas that will
: inspire exciting creations from OG fans. But I see now that the truth I spoke
: caused you to have some sort of Mental Bowelmovement.
Hehehehe... you're funny. Do you say this to everyone who disagrees with you?
: Fascinating! Everything come out OK big guy? I'm sorry to have to tell you this
: because I know you were really counting on copyrighting your face and then
: suing everyone who looks like you for stealing your idea, but you can not
: copyright facial features. Which also means the Neri I create in cyberspace can
: look like Marzena and be 'published openly' and Jhonny boy can't do squat.
It's obvious that you are unable to comprehend copyright law, so I won't debate the issue with you. You are not talking about creating something like the image of "Neri" you are talking about replicating that image, and the way in which it was used. I could quote legal references, but you would likely ignore them.
Unlike you, I believe in the protection of intellectual materials. In Mensa, members are constantly required to defend their intellectual property, and it is a trend that isn't diminishing. It's easy for you to steal someone else's creation, and this is usually what people do that don't have the ability to create something original themselves.
Why don't you make something of your own, instead of stealing from others.
I have no respect for people like you that steal from others.
: Secondly you can't sue someone just for having a similar storyline. If that
: were the case the makers of the movies "THE BLUE LAGOON" starring Brooke
: Shields, and "SPLASH" could sue o'l Jhon Jhon.
Oh? I'm sorry, but I didn't realize that those shows had characters that came from outer space. Perhaps you are mistaken.
: Not to mention the makers of "DEEP IMPACT" sue "ARMAGEDDON", "ANTS" sue
: "BUG'S LIFE", "HEAFCLIFF" sue "GARFIELD", "PLASTICMAN" sue "MR.FANTASTIC",
: ....clearly the courts would be pact.{sic}
I'm not even going to bother, as you obviously don't have the intelligence to understand the differences.
: I don't know where you got the idea that I literally worship a T.V. show.
Do you really want me to post quotes from you that prove this point? You are hooked on the character of Neri. Hooked BEYOND that of a 'normal' individual.
:December 01, 1998
: I don't care if I sound crazy because it doesn't really matter if I'm already
: going to loose. I'm just going to come right out with what I really want, with
: what I really desire. Yes, I love Neri. Yes, I wish Marzena really was like
: Neri. Yes, I wish we had grown up together. Yes, I wish we never had to grow up
: and were eternally beautiful and healthy.
Oh really...?
:November 13, 1998
: Don't get me wrong, I love Neri, but I'm so sick and tired of watching
: videotaped reruns of Oceangirl. I don't even watch them that much because I
: know them forward and backward and it's too tortureous for me to sit through it
: again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
: (SCREAM!!!!) I just wish I had NEW adventures of oceangirl, or if that's not
: possible I meet a real life Neri. Neri is my special friend, I pray this
: friendship never ends.
A friend that doesn't exist... hmmmm...
: You don't seem to think that human beings are capable of producing great ones
: do you . You assume that I nor anyone else including Marzena is capable of
: being as wonderful as Neri. Well I disagree I don't think characters such as
: Superman and Neri are fictional, and that all mankind has to hope for is more
: crooked politicians and greedy jerks, or just plain and stupid people with no
: vision. If it is what's the point of it all. And just because Marzena was
: comfortable enough in that particular surrounding to be more outgoing and she
: speaks with a "normal" accent is not conclusive evidence that somewhere inside
: this Marzena is an extrodinary human being like Neri. It is possible for
: someone to play a role that's close to their heart.
Marzena is really Neri? She just happened to be picked out of hundreds of girls, and was given a script, when she was really playing 'herself'?
Oh please.
:
: It's too bad that some people are not able to see the beauty in
: Oceangirl and Spellbinder. I do see a connection between the shows
: (other than Lauren Hewitt), which is they both deal with subject matter
: that has something to do with challenging the exsisting[SIC] theroies[SIC]
: of the universe.
Now I especially LOVED this clip! When I brought it up at a Mensa regional gathering, they HOWLED with laughter! I still laugh at that one, and I must admit, I am not easy to amuse.
Here was my response to that clip...
:Ummm... Oh boy. Yuno part of me feels bad in bursting your bubble, but someone
:will sooner or later.
:
:Here is a description of the show from Jonathan M. Shiff's website, the creator
:of "Ocean Girl" himself.
:
::OCEAN GIRL is a children's fantasy adventure series set in the near
::future. It is the story of NERI, a mysterious young girl from the ocean
::and her exciting adventures above and below the sea!
:
:The key word here is 'fantasy'.
:
:Fantasy(n)
:1. unrestrained imagination;
:2. an ILLUSORY(see below) mental image;
:3. a VISIONARY(see below) idea
:
:illusory(adj)
:1.something that deceives the eye or mind
:2.a mistaken perception or belief
:
:visionary(adj)
:1.unpractical
:2.given to idealistic theorizing
:
:
:So to say that Ocean Girl would...
:
::deal with subject matter that has something to do with challenging the
::exsisting[SIC] theroies[SIC] of the universe
:
:I don't understand how you can vault a 'fantasy' show to this status.
:
:Now a show like "STEPHEN HAWKING'S UNIVERSE" might 'challenge existing theories
:of the universe', but Ocean Girl does not. To suggest it does is an insult to
:the many intelligent minds who have devoted their lives to the REAL thing.
:http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/
:
::No. 2 Pencil wrote:
::For instance in Spellbinder we see Kathy going into another
::realm, with a whole other civilization living there. That is deep. And
::on Oceangirl, you have spacecraft, people from other planets, and
::scientist who use science for the wrong reasons. That's deep too. That
::is the connection between the 2 shows, they are't just the
::"Torklesons", they deal with things that connect them to the 'hidden'
::realitys[SIC] of the universe, which then also connects them to the study
::of the 'hidden' realitys[SIC] of the universe in general. I'm sure
::many people who like Oceangirl and Spellbinder are open to research in
::the area of life on other planets, spacecrafts, another realm, and
::people who use science for the wrong reasons. I think that is what makes
::them similar. Which is ironic because with this show as the base of the
::bulletin board, you would expect to see more conversation on these
::things.
:
:[SIC]=Quoted exactly as written, even though incorrect
:
:The problem is that the show does NOT 'challenge existing theories of the
:universe' and so that is why people don't discuss such matters.
:
:If you want some ANSWERS to 'theories of the universe' from people who are
:EXPERTS in their field, then check out this page...
:http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/ask.html
:
::No. 2 Pencil wrote:
::Conversation that challenges exsisting[SIC] theories of the
::universe. Instead it sounds like the "Torklesons Board". Where's the
::life, the spirit! Maybe people think I'm weird, like your peers at
::school think maybe you are wierd[SIC] to like Oceangirl. "Like oh my
::god, like,here comes that like,totally like, wierd[SIC] girl, who likes
::that show 'Seagirl', like, I'm so sure!" But Oceangirl being the base
::for this bulletin board, I think we should study things that
::chalenge[SIC] the exsisting[SIC] theories of the universe and make deep
::observations of society. We expect to be labled[SIC] "wierd"[SIC] on the
::outside, but not in the "temple".
:
[temple? ... and I thought you said you don't 'worship' the show...?]
:
:"Temple"!?!?!?! Oh please, come on. This is not the "Church of Neri" or a
:'shrine' to the "Ocean Girl" show. It's a simple bulletin board, that discusses
:a television show. Nobody thinks a person is 'weird' for watching a television
:show, but they DO think a person is 'weird' when they suggest a TV fantasy show
:'challenges existing theories of the universe'.
:
:Ocean Girl and Spellbinder are shows meant to entertain, one might even call
:them 'thought provoking' but they are far from being shows that 'challenge
:existing theories of the universe'.
:
:You seem to have a surreal view of these shows. I would respectfully suggest
:that you look into taking a course in metaphysics, since you seem unable to
:accept some aspects of reality.
:
:Metaphysics: The science of real as distinguished from phenomenal being
My remark on metaphysics still stands. You would be wise to educate yourself in this regard.
Don't try and weasel yourself out of this... I can post more, but the point is already made. You WORSHIP the show, in specific, the character of 'Neri'. It is plain and simple to see that.
You are the type of person that 'tv & movie stars' are scared of. The 'fanatics' who believe that the actors are the character they play, and who can't understand that it is just a 'show' and is not real.
: But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are not able to both
: read and comprehend, rather than assuming you're stupid.
Please spare me your petty attempts at insults. It makes you look like a child.
I am saving more of your clippings to bring to the next Mensa regional gathering, since I know they will be good for more laughs! You really think you're smart don't you? You don't have a clue, and you never will.
Get over it.
: However, if the definition of the word God is supreme.
No, that is wrong.
God: 1. A being conceived of as possessing supernatural power, and to be
propitiated by sacrifice, worship, etc. 2. The Supreme Being; the eternal and infinite Spirit, the Creator, and the Sovereign of the universe. 3. A person deified and honored as the chief good; 4. Figuratively applied to one who wields great or despotic power.
The key here is that "god" refers to SOMEONE, a being or person. It is a NOUN, and not an adjective.
: And I say Oceangirl ranks supreme among shows. Then technically one could say it
: is "God-like" among shows.
Well YOU may define it as "God-like", since YOU worship this show. I haven't seen anyone else act as you have in this regard. Would you like to deny that you "worship" this show again?
...but wait, there's more...!
: Of course there's nothing wrong with talking about Oceangirl.....unless it's
: just boring, mindless, chit-chat. If you're going to say something, say
: something thought provoking, interesting, or even poetic. But please spare us
: from your nervous mouth energy. Thankyou. Next, It is clear as a crystal, by
: the evidence of numerous links I have posted, that there are interest within me
: that goes beyond the borders of Oceangirl. And every now and then, if I feel it
: goes with whatever I happen to be discussing at the time, I'll leave you all a
: little something,something.
Please, spare me. Your egotistical ramblings have no value to anyone.
: But even if all you did day after day was eat, sleep, $h1T, and check this
: bulletin board, it wouldn't concern me at all. But when you come here for your
: "OG time", why not make the most of it, since you're already at the computer.
: Dream big, don't settle for "Well, guess I'll get off my butt and check the o'l
: board. Darn it, no new messages." Think,"Hey! I'll go work a little on my OG
: project on the computer!" Lastly...Gee thanks Yoda for telling me about the
: 'innerself'! Now I feel like I could take on the whole Empire!
Why don't you just 'take on' reality, and stop living in a fantasy land.
: Savant, the Neri we litterally saw was pixels on a monitor. If pixels in
: cyberspace are displayed in the way you see them on T.V. you will have
: replicated Neri's 'innerself',regardless to the method used. It's not magic,
: it's a formula.
That could be true of an 'animated' series, but you can NOT duplicate a 'real life' event by simply replicating the pixel formations. Perhaps you believe you can replicate 'Neri' in your mind, and maybe you believe that Ocean Girl does "challenge existing theories of the universe" in some way.
However, just because you believe it, that doesn't make it real.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner you can join the real world.
Regards,
Savant
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